Fluoridation of City of London Water - Concern

Fluoridation of City of London Water - Concern

I am forwarding some correspondence to the City for some background on my efforts. I should like to educate all on the danger of fluoride and garner some more support for my efforts.

If you live in London Ont. Canada and should like to see Dr. Limeback's video let me know and I'd be happy to lend it to you. Others can obtain it from: http://www.fluoridealert.org/videos.htm

See also:

http://205.150.121.181/xta-doc2/ 2002/11/25/Health/75864.shtml

http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/

Chris Gupta
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email to Middlesex London Health Unit:

Jim,

I and a number of London citizens are very concerned on the Fluoridation of our water. A submission was made to the City of London Environment and Transportation Committee (ETC) meeting regarding this concern. Believe they will be contacting you for your opinion on this issue.

I order to expedite this matter I am forwarding you the information that was presented to the City.

Given the Middlesex-London Health Unit's activities with respect to health of Babies and Children this information is particularly important. Not to mention your own family and children.

I am prepared to lend you Dr. Limeback's 1/2 hr video at your convenience.

I understand that the City of Kitchener , Cambridge and surrounding counties are already aware of these concerns and do no fluoride their water.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Thanks

Chris Gupta
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To: ETC
From: mbgupta@uwo.ca
Subject: Fluoridation of City of London Water - Concern
Date: May 8th 2001

After reading the ADA, Health Canada, the British “York Study” etc. it is clear that these studies are intended to reassure us that water fluoridation was and is perfectly safe. However, everyone of these studies/discussions are contradictory. They tell us that molted teeth from fluoridation of water is just a cosmetic effect. When in fact this is a proof positive sign of bone damage. In the British Medical Journal (B.M.J.), October 7, 2000 it is reported that 48% of children who live in fluoridated communities have developed dental fluorosis due to fluoride overdose. Now then, if the bone is damaged how are you going to get fewer cavities? This demonstrates that ingesting of fluoridated water to reduce tooth decay is clearly a myth.

Some short term benefit is received when, pharmaceutical grade, fluoride is topically applied and held against tooth structure. Excessive use can still make the bones brittle. In 1997, the Canadian Dental Association agreed with the American Academy of Pediatrics that "the primary mechanism of action of fluoride to prevent dental decay is topical." Ingesting fluoride from drinking water isn't effective.

98% of Europe's drinking water is fluoridation-free In fact countries with the best dental health do not fluoridate drinking water see: http://www.voice.buz.org/fluoridation/index.html#euro. In Canada, Montreal has never fluoridated its water.

Dr. Hardy Limeback, Canada's foremost promoter of fluoridation, head of Preventive Dentistry, University of Toronto and President of the Canadian Association of Dental Research, told his colleagues and students that he had unintentionally misled them. "For the past 15 years, I had refused to study the toxicology information that is readily available to anyone.

Poisoning our children was the furthest thing from my mind." Among the findings that finally opened Dr. Limeback's eyes was a recent study at the University of Toronto which confirmed that: "Residents of cities that fluoridate have double the fluoride in their hip bones vis-�-vis the balance of the population. Worse, we discovered that fluoride is actually altering the basic architecture of human bones." Skeletal fluorosis is a debilitating condition that occurs when fluoride accumulates in bones, making them extremely weak and brittle. The earliest symptoms? "Mottled and brittle teeth," said Dr. Limeback. "In Canada we are now spending more money treating dental fluorosis than we do treating cavities. That includes my own practice."

Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University, Canton, NY 13617. comments on the York study, you referred to in your email, also supports the above.

"Dear Editor, As an invited peer reviewer of the York Review of fluoridation, please permit me to add a few concerns about this report and the spin it has been given in the press. While a number of people have correctly pointed out that this York Review deals a very serious blow to water fluoridation based upon the findings of a much lower benefit for caries reduction than claimed by promoters, and a much higher level of dental fluorosis than is acceptable, I am very disturbed that the authors are not making it clear that dental fluorosis is in fact an indication of a toxic effect of fluoride, in a similar fashion that the blue line on teeth was an early indicator of lead poisoning. The fact that neither tooth mottling nor the blue line causes any obvious pain is beside the point. Tooth mottling indicates that fluoride has poisoned the enzyme involved in removing protein from between the mineral prisms prior to enamel formation (DenBesten, 1999). It raises - or should raise -the obvious question of what other enzymes might have been poisoned by fluoride which have no visible effects. British researcher Jennifer Luke (1998) may have answered this question in her Ph.D thesis. It would appear that fluoride accumulates in the human pineal gland and experiments in animals indicate that fluoride lowers melatonin levels. Unfortunately, the York reviewers didn't consider Luke's work, nor others' work on the thyroid gland or many animal experiments conducted over the last 10 years which wave very large red flags of concern about fluoride's potential health effects. I have reviewed many of these concerns elsewhere (see: http://www.fluoridealert.org)."

For rest of this and other comments on the York paper see: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/321/7265/855#EL4

Fluoride at low doses was once prescribed by European doctors to depress the thyroid gland's activity. This is why the symptoms of fluoride poisoning are identical to thyroid dysfunction. Of course arthritis, thyroid dysfunction, etc. are observable everywhere. Synthroid, the drug most commonly used to treat hypothyroidism, is the number 1 prescribed drug. To learn more about hypothyroidism (this is very serious) visit: www.thyroid.about.com/ or www.bruha.com/fluoride/

The second matter of major concern is what exactly is going into our drinking water?

The most common forms of fluoride added to our drinking water are the silicofluorides (SiF), which include fluorosilicates and fluorosilicic acid (FSA). They're used in approximately 90% of fluoridated Canadian & U.S. water supplies. Unlike the naturally occurring substance calcium fluoride (CaF), FSA is an extremely corrosive and toxic compound that originates from the phosphate fertilizer industry. The actual substance used to fluoridate your water is not some pharmaceutical that's been tested for purity. It is a waste product containing mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, and numerous other toxic compounds. Its exact composition is unknown, because it's never analyzed.

Now the question arises - if fluoride has known negative health effects, is toxic industrial waste product, not analyzed & is not a pharmaceutical grade chemical - why is it so heavily promoted by certain groups? In fact the US Public Health Service (PHS) endorsed fluoridation in 1950 before one single fluoridation trial had been completed and before long term health studies in either animals or humans had been undertaken. See: Fluoride—What's Wrong With This Picture? @ http://www.bruha.com/fluoride/

If this FSA solution and other fluoride compounds weren't being purchased by taxpayers and dumped into their drinking water, then the fertilizer industries would have to take them to the highest rated hazardous waste facility. But because these toxic compounds are first being channeled through our homes and our bodies, fluoridation is really a form of legalized pollution, an end-run around laws that require hazardous fluoride compounds to be properly disposed of (at a cost of several thousand dollars per tanker truck). Moreover, water treatment plants cannot remove fluoride compounds (nor can household carbon water-filters), Hence we are further polluting the environment with this industrial waste. This in turn increases exposure to all through the food chain which ends up retaining this toxic waste. Those who don't drink city water are still affected! See: Fluoride in food @ http://www.bruha.com/fluoride/html/f-_in_food.htm

Fluoridation is untested and unproven mass medication and as everyone swallows different amounts of water the dose of fluoride is uncontrolled (Estimated daily intake in optimally fluoridated areas of up to 6.6mg/day in Review of Fluoride Benefits and Risks. Dept of Health & Human Services p17, 1991). Since Fluoride cannot be filtered out except by distillation or reverse osmosis everyone is being overdosed not to mention people who drink lots of water.

The arguments against fluoridation are too numerous to list in their entirety here. Issues regarding bone cancer, heart disease etc. have not even been touched. Fluoride in the body is cumulative and many toxic effects don't show up immediately, like tobacco, this delay in repercussion allows the industry to maintain a facade of controversy. The trusting public and regulatory bodies are simply lobbied to support commercial interests. See critique of the CDC's position at http://www.fluoridealert.org/cdc.htm More information can be found @ http://www.voice.buz.org/fluoridation/final%20critique.htm & http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

As a representative of your constituents not to mention your own family and children I implore you to remove this enforced toxin from our water. As you know enforced uncontrolled medication without informed consent is a breach of human rights over the individual's freedom to control his/her own bodily processes and standards of human health. I hope you will choose to support this initiative to protect yourself, family, children, your constituents and the environment rather than continue to maintain the status quo.

I would be happy to show you and all city council members a 1/2 hour video tape by Dr. Limeback showing some recent evidence form toxicity of fluoride in Ontario water compared to that in the non fluoridated Montreal water. This is an eye opener and in fact, Dr. Limeback states, that now there is sufficient data to initiate class action if fluoridation is not removed shortly form the public water system.

Chris Gupta P. Eng
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To: ralder@city.london.on.ca
From: mbgupta@uwo.ca
Subject: Fluoridation of City of London Water - Concern
Date: May 16th 2001

Dear Rob,

Thanks for your support re. the fluoridation issue at the May 14th, 2001 ETC meeting.

You suggested that we first try to bring this information to Health Canada and Public Health Branch - Ontario Ministry. This stance unfortunately, will do nothing for health of your children, family and constituents as it simply maintains the status quo. These organizations have always been slow to respond and are heavily influenced (lobbied) by the industry and are frequently not impartial just look at the number of drugs that have been approved regardless of the adverse clinical studies. Some examples are:

Imitrex, a drug rushed though the approval system in concert with then Finance Minister Wilson's announcement on C-91, early in 1992, led to a federal court case and the removal of one official involved in the hasty, unsafe approval. But safety issues were never addressed and the official was re-appointed 6 months later. This episode sent a powerful message to Health Protect Branch staff. Those who serve the public interest do so at their own risk.

Another example of an unsafe drug is the heart drug, Nifedipine. Large number of Canadians are dying needlessly and millions of heath care dollars are being squandered due to its continued marketing.

A Critique of the CDC's Promotion of Fluoridation is at: http://www.fluoridealert.org/cdc.htm. I highly recommend that you read it.

It always amazes me that the governments and health agencies are easily lobbied to act on questionable data. Why act when there is doubt?

From the data provided to you and that available from the toxicology journals on silicofluorides (SiF), which include fluorosilicates and fluorosilicic acid (FSA) should clearly stand on its own merits. SiF is a known toxin and should be regulated as a prescription drug. This is not a nutrient like a vitamin with no/little side effects. Hence it has no business being used via the city water as uncontrolled and forced mass medication.

A further point in regard to the so called effectiveness of delivering fluoride to all members of the community, is the fact that according to the ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry):

"Existing data indicate that subsets of the population may be unusually susceptible to the toxic effects of fluoride and its compounds. These populations include the elderly, people with deficiencies of calcium, magnesium, and/or vitamin C, and people with cardiovascular and kidney problems" (ATSDR, 1993, p 112).

Examples of Fluoride poisoning linked to kidney dialysis patients can be viewed @ For details see: http://www.fluoridealert.org/U-of-C.htm
http://www.fluoridealert.org/annapolis.htm

Dentists and fluoridation supporters can cheaply provide pharmaceutical grade supplements when appropriate.

The effects on our generation, which has about 30 years of fluoride intake in Ontario, shall be trivial compared to our children especially, infants with small body mass to dose ratio, who have cumulatively ingested it since birth. Their bones, tissues, the vital pineal and thyroid glands will clearly be damaged as discussed by Dr. Limeback and others.

Once you study the toxicology literature, I know, as father and a doctor you will do your utmost to remove this toxin from our drinking water. I am hoping that this will not turn into a never ending debate at the expense your patients and constituents.

Many Thanks for your continued support.

Chris Gupta - P. Eng.
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Reply-To: "kallie miller"
From: "kallie miller"
To: "Chris Gupta"
Subject: Fw: flouridation studies
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:47:54 -0500

> Hi Chris

> Here's a quick reply from Sandy Levin

> Kallie

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: flouridation studies

> http://www.pediatricdentalcare.com/parent/adaflouride.html
>
> http://fluoride.oralhealth.org/papers/bradoffluoridation.html
>
> http://www.imj.ie/issue29/editorial/editorial2.html
>
> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7265/855
>
>
> "kallie miller" wrote:
> >
> > I know fluoride has been proven to harden teeth enamel when applied
topically. I would like you to give
>> me the references to studies that have proven fluoride hardens tooth
enamel when ingested. I would like to
>> read them so that I know the ingestion of fluoride has value and is safe
>> for human consumption.
> >
> > I thank you in advance for your consideration
> >
> > Kallie P. Miller
> > kallie@isp.ca

posted by Chris Gupta on Saturday June 7 2003
updated on Saturday September 24 2005

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Readers' Comments

this is ridiculous.
the world health organisation, as well innumerable other reputable health organisations around the world endorse water fluoridation as the most effective public health measure against dental caries. mild to moderate fluorosis actually strengthens teeth and bone... if you ask me, dental caries is far more ugly than any fluorosis, and is a greater concern. dental caries is the most prevalent disease on the face of the earth! there is no REASONABLE evidence to suggest that WATER fluoridation is related to any dehabilitating disease.

Posted by: maria on August 8, 2004 05:27 PM

this is ridiculous.
the world health organisation, as well innumerable other reputable health organisations around the world endorse water fluoridation as the most effective public health measure against dental caries. mild to moderate fluorosis actually strengthens teeth and bone... if you ask me, dental caries is far more ugly than any fluorosis, and is a greater concern. dental caries is the most prevalent disease on the face of the earth! there is no REASONABLE evidence to suggest that WATER fluoridation is related to any dehabilitating disease.

Posted by: gillian on April 24, 2005 12:00 PM

Gillian, the fact that fluoride was once used to treat hyperthyroidism is reasonable evidence that suggests it is related to dehabilitating dieases. I was one of the youngest patients to cross my doctors office with Hashimotos diease and I can not regulate my doses and I know it is because I drink water in the city of London, where we have what was once a drug used to slow down thyroid production in our water supply. I now try to boil the fluoride out but why should myself and others need to do this? Try sending free dental lessons back to schools and let me chose what comes in my drinking supply....

Posted by: Connie on November 25, 2007 02:47 PM

Dr. Arvid Carlsson (Nobel Price winner for medicine, 2000) best stated the reasons to stop fluoridation of public water systems. "when in doubt leave it out". And the doubts are serious concerns.

Posted by: Ted Gray on June 10, 2008 08:04 PM

This is just crazy, they stoped giving fluoride to horses and cows because it killed them all. Nazi germany used it on concentration camps to keep the population mentaly retarded... IF ANYONE thinks this is good. Then Your actualy mentaly retarded as a direct result of drinking fluoride... just remember,, this is a Nazi germany type attack on your kids... because as you know the highest concentration of fluoride is found in childrens food and ice cream !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jaysin on November 7, 2008 12:10 AM

Fluoride? Why can't people do some research on this stuff and why the US originally put it in its drinking water. (hint: it's not good) Fluoride is a Pollutant! Now I just took the time to read on the City of London website that London gets their Flouride from Flordia mining site - I've seen documentaries - this is pollution extract - rather then deposing of it they put it in the drinking water. This is literally like putting pollution in your drinking water. I can't believe I've been drinking this!

Posted by: Ryan Hodgson on May 12, 2009 06:15 PM

Enough scientific evidence has been published over the past decade for any rational person to question the validity of adding rat poison to ones drinking water. The fertilizer companies that produce this toxic waste as a by-product are not only saving millions in having to dispose of it, they are actually selling it. Being old enough to remember commercials depicting white-coated physicians asserting the healthy attributes of cigarette smoking, I question the integrity and motivation of organizations that still stand behind drinking water fluoridation. I just installed a reverse-osmosis filter that removes fluoride but unfortunately also minerals.

Posted by: Byron Webster on April 18, 2010 09:09 AM


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