Share The Wealth by Chris Gupta
June 10, 2008

C-51 The Real Facts Vs the Bull From Health Canada

Laurie, maybe Another Health Canada Horror Story - C-51& C-52 may calm you down - no body is spreading horror stories we are trying to prevent many more from happening.... Just because you and others take NHPs somehow does not make their intentions sacrosanct. Read your colleague's Ms. Judy Wasylycia comments here which pretty much demolishes the Health Canada Bill C-51 and Natural Health Products - The Facts or better still read the bills themselves here first!

Chris Gupta

At 09:32 2008-06-10, Leo Regehr wrote:
Laurie, please tell me if the language you find so objectionable is much different from the language that used by you and your fellow MPs in the House of Commons debates. Please do tell me.

Since you mention these terms, Laurie, please point out to me and other Canadians where I, Trueman, or anyone else, have not discussed "rationally", have engaged in "over-the-top fear mongering", or have been "scaring vulnerable people".

As for your own "intent" or the "intent of C-51", they simply do not match up with the act itself as I have read it.

Laurie, the "strong scrutiny" you refer to, is in fact subject to the will of the party whips and house leaders of all parties. I don't characterize such a process as "strong scrutiny". And going along with your whips and leaders is not the "best job" you can do.

You can do better Laurie. But if you think Canadians should not be telling their MPs to "do better", that is how you see things. But let's see whether you and your organizers truly reflect the values of Canadians. I am willing to let "the people" decide between us Laurie. Is the statement I just made, an example of what you consider to be a "threat" in our free and democratic society?

In closing, Laurie, please tell me and other Canadians which foreign countries and groups of countries you have in mind in sec. 3 under Definitions in this act.

Leo Regehr
Council member
Friends of Freedom International
Canadian Council on Health Freedom

Hawn, Laurie - M.P. wrote:

Dear Leo,

I have no problem with rational discussion. I do have a problem with over-the-top fearmongering. It is not helpful to anyone and it does not increase the credibility of those who may have legitimate concerns. Statistically, there should be about 280 MPs and Senators who use NHPs. I am one of them and I do not intend to do anything that will jeopardize that. That is also not the intent of C-51. There are several amendments coming out this week in response to concerns raised by MPs and others. That will hopefully address some of the concerns over the language of the bill. C-51 has only passed first reading and it has many stages to go through before it becomes law. It will get strong scrutiny at all stages and the intent of the bill has support in the House beyond just the government. My "behaviour" is simply to do the best job I can and needlessly scaring vulnerable people is not part of that. Threats against me and others, as I have seen in recent e-mails, are unne
cessary and counterproductive. I'm quite willing to take legitimate concerns forward as the bill makes its way through the House and the Senate. Everyone on all sides of this discussion should calm down.

Laurie Hawn

From: Leo Regehr
Sent: June 8, 2008 1:50 AM
To: United

Subject: Re: response to Laurie's e-mail for Trueman Tuck

Laurie, if you want to drive out a substantial number of members who got you and other MPs elected, just keep behaving the way that you do. Or you can change. It is up to you.
Leo Regehr
Council member
Friends of Freedom International
Canadian Coalition for Health Freedom


United wrote:

Hello Laurie,

Thank you for your e-mail. Yes, it would be good to meet face to face to get to know each other.

Without respectful dialogue between human beings who have strong differing viewpoints there cannot be any “Civilized Rule of Law, Constitutional Democratic Society”. In my Canada as a “True Reformer / True Conservative” I believe in John A. MacDonald’s great vision of Canada as a “Confederated States of Canada” and John Diefenbaker’s vision of Canada as expressed in his “Bill of Rights”.

You are aware that our organization assisted you in getting elected and that you know several of our key supporters including Leo Regehr who is one of our long time council members as is Tony Stephan of Truehope.

Your e-mail tone is not very respectful and or constructive, as it makes a serious allegation. Please provide me the details of where you and your colleagues believe that our organization and or myself are misleading people concerning Bill C-51?

I always welcome the opportunity to dialogue with you and anyone else that you know that may share your very serious allegation concerning me and / or our organization.

As a second step in our communications I have ten very simple starting questions for you. Anything I mention if you need the information please let me know;

[1] Have you read Bill C-51 carefully at least once?

[2] Have you read the 1998 Standing Committee Report and the opposition dissenting reports?

[3] Have you read the Natural Health Product Regulations and are you aware of the Joint Scrutiny of Regulation and the fact that after 4 years of complaints and submissions that there still has not been an on record review of these regulations?

[4] Have you read the current Food and Drugs Act?

[5] Did you know that the number one killer of Canadians is the most heavily regulated professions medical doctors, nurses and pharmacists, using the most heavily regulated products prescription drugs in the heaviest regulated facilities hospitals and care homes?

[6] Have you ever looked at evidence based death statistics in Canada [see attached file]?

[7] Have you read Bill C-420 and do you understand what it was designed to addressed?

[8] Have you read any of the Strauss Herb Company Court decisions?

[9] Have you read any of the Truehope Court decisions?

[10] Have you read the Bader and Health Court case?

Trueman Tuck

From: Hawn, Laurie - M.P. []
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: FW: e-mail for Trueman Tuck

Dear Mr. Tuck:

As a Parliamentary Secretary, I am very careful about meeting any lobbyist. If the ethics folks approve, I may have a bit of time on Tuesday morning. I am well aware of you and your organization and I am concerned about the amount of misleading information that has been perpetrated about Bill C-51, as evidenced by your e-mail. I suspect that a meeting may well prove to be unsatisfactory for both of us, but I am willing to give it a shot. You can reach our office at 613-992-4524.

Laurie Hawn, MP

Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence


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