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February 07, 2004

Global Warming or Ice Age Coming?

We hear about global warming and in fact, the temperatures seem to be slowly inching up. Whether this is a man made effect or depends on solar activity or other environmental factors outside of our control is an open question. What is new to me is that, even in a scenario of global warming, there could be local flips towards a cold climate.

A mechanism that could bring about such a flip for much of northern Europe is the Gulf Stream, a warm water ocean current, which brings a moderate climate to the western shores of our continent, especially to the areas of France, the Netherlands, Ireland and the British Isles.

A report by Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor of The Independent, says: The scientists, who studied the composition of the waters of the Atlantic from Greenland to Tierra del Fuego, found that they have become "very much" saltier in the tropics and subtropics and "very much" fresher towards the poles over the past 50 years.

This is alarming because the Gulf Stream is driven by cold, very salty water sinking in the North Atlantic. This pulls warm surface waters northwards, forming the current.

The change is described as the "fingerprint" of global warming. As the world heats up, more water evaporates from the tropics and falls as rain in temperate and polar regions, making the warm waters saltier and the cold ones fresher. Melting polar ice adds more fresh water.

Apparently, similar "flips" have occurred before and caused cool periods in Europe. Due to the non linear nature of such a change, the cooling could come as fast as a decade or two. Watch out.

Global Warming Will Plunge Britain Into New Ice Age 'Within Decades'

Article from: The Independent UK
Global warming will plunge Britain into new ice age 'within decades'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
25 January 2004

Britain is likely to be plunged into an ice age within our lifetime by global warming, new research suggests.

A study, which is being taken seriously by top government scientists, has uncovered a change "of remarkable amplitude" in the circulation of the waters of the North Atlantic.

Similar events in pre-history are known to have caused sudden "flips" of the climate, bringing ice ages to northern Europe within a few decades. The development - described as "the largest and most dramatic oceanic change ever measured in the era of modern instruments", by the US Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, which led the research - threatens to turn off the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe's weather mild.

If that happens, Britain and northern Europe are expected to switch abruptly to the climate of Labrador - which is on the same latitude - bringing a nightmare scenario where farmland turns to tundra and winter temperatures drop below -20C. The much-heralded cold snap predicted for the coming week would seem balmy by comparison.

A report by the International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme in Sweden - launched by Nobel prize-winner Professor Paul Crutzen and other top scientists - warned last week that pollution threatened to "trigger changes with catastrophic consequences" like these.

Scientists have long expected that global warming could, paradoxically, cause a devastating cooling in Europe by disrupting the Gulf Stream, which brings as much heat to Britain in winter as the sun does: the US National Academy of Sciences has even described such abrupt, dramatic changes as "likely". But until now it has been thought that this would be at least a century away.

The new research, by scientists at the Centre for Environment, Fisheries and Aquaculture Science at Lowestoft and Canada's Bedford Institute of Oceanography, as well as Woods Hole, indicates that this may already be beginning to happen.

Dr Ruth Curry, the study's lead scientist, says: "This has the potential to change the circulation of the ocean significantly in our lifetime. Northern Europe will likely experience a significant cooling."

Robert Gagosian, the director of Woods Hole, considered one of the world's leading oceanographic institutes, said: "We may be approaching a threshold that would shut down [the Gulf Stream] and cause abrupt climate changes.

"Even as the earth as a whole continues to warm gradually, large regions may experience a precipitous and disruptive shift into colder climates." The scientists, who studied the composition of the waters of the Atlantic from Greenland to Tierra del Fuego, found that they have become "very much" saltier in the tropics and subtropics and "very much" fresher towards the poles over the past 50 years.

This is alarming because the Gulf Stream is driven by cold, very salty water sinking in the North Atlantic. This pulls warm surface waters northwards, forming the current.

The change is described as the "fingerprint" of global warming. As the world heats up, more water evaporates from the tropics and falls as rain in temperate and polar regions, making the warm waters saltier and the cold ones fresher. Melting polar ice adds more fresh water.

Ominously, the trend has accelerated since 1990, during which time the 10 hottest years on record have occurred. Many studies have shown that similar changes in the waters of the North Atlantic in geological time have often plunged Europe into an ice age, sometimes bringing the change in as little as a decade.

The National Academy of Sciences says that the jump occurs in the same way as "the slowly increasing pressure of a finger eventually flips a switch and turns on a light". Once the switch has occurred the new, hostile climate, lasts for decades at least, and possibly centuries.

When the Gulf Stream abruptly turned off about 12,700 years ago, it brought about a 1,300-year cold period, known as the Younger Dryas. This froze Britain in continuous permafrost, drove summer temperatures down to 10C and winter ones to -20C, and brought icebergs as far south as Portugal. Europe could not sustain anything like its present population. Droughts struck across the globe, including in Asia, Africa and the American west, as the disruption of the Gulf Stream affected currents worldwide.

Some scientists say that this is the "worst-case scenario" and that the cooling may be less dramatic, with the world's climate "flickering" between colder and warmer states for several decades. But they add that, in practice, this would be almost as catastrophic for agriculture and civilisation.

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by Paulo N. Correa, M.Sc., Ph.D. & Alexandra N. Correa, HBA
There is perhaps no clearer example of the arbitrary vagaries of mainstream peer-review and its promotion of non-scientific fads, driven by political and economic interests, than the recent promotion of the pseudoscientific myth of 'global warming', systematically accompanied by the recurrent fits of public hysteria it engenders amongst scientists, politicians, environmentalists (another type of politico), mainstream science journals and mass-media. Fads of this type - the fear-mongering alarmist type - have become the mainstay of official mass-media and the object of sensationalistic 'science-journalism'. There's been a whole series of such fads associated with pseudo-scientific meteorology and climatology, that are cyclically promoted by syndicated news media and official or mainstream science publications.

Memorandum by Professor Nils-Axel Mörner, Head of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden President, (1999-2003) of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, Leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project

Video: The Great Global Warming Swindle

Two More Global Warming False Alarms
The global warming debate has developed a pattern: In part A, a scientist makes a scary claim and gets headlines for himself, and his funding source, across the known world. In part B, a few months later new evidence blows the scary claim away—but with no press coverage of its demise.

Two more global warming scares have just been quietly blown away: the claim that global warming is causing more and bigger hurricanes; and the claim that warming threatens to shut down the great Atlantic Ocean conveyor currents.

Inconvenient Facts About Climate Change (Global Warming)
"All the planets in our solar system are presently showing signs of increased temperature." If the planet is getting steadily warmer due to Industrial Age greenhouse gases, why did it get cooler when industries began belching out carbon dioxide at full tilt at the start of World War II? The amount of debris spewed into the atmosphere by volcanic activities alone could swamp the effect of greenhouse gases.

The Whole Solar System is Undergoing Global Warming
"This is a fact that not many people know about, and quite a few people, would like that there was no evidence to back this fact, because some people would like the world to believe that human activity is the cause for global warming on Earth. I am not advocating that releasing harmful gases, and chemicals in the oceans and atmosphere are good, but after a few years of research, I have come to understand that global warming is happening in the Solar System, not just on Earth."

Forty-five nations answered France's call for a new environmental body to slow inevitable global warming and protect the planet, perhaps with policing powers to punish violators
The words of warning about global warming from the top panel of international scientists Friday Feb. 2, 2007 were purposely blunt: "warming of the climate system is unequivocal," the cause is "very likely" man-made, and "would continue for centuries." Officially releasing a 21-page report in Paris on the how, what and why the planet is warming -- though not telling the world what to do about it -- the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change gave a bleak observation of what is happening now and an even more dire prediction for the future.

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide. This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change
Disdain for the sun goes with a failure by the self-appointed greenhouse experts to keep up with inconvenient discoveries about how the solar variations control the climate. The sun's brightness may change too little to account for the big swings in the climate. But more than 10 years have passed since Henrik Svensmark in Copenhagen first pointed out a much more powerful mechanism. He saw from compilations of weather satellite data that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars. More cosmic rays, more clouds.

The politics of global warming
The whole world is preparing for warming, but I mentioned that we have been cooling since 1998 and the climate scientists that I respected -- particularly the Russians and Chinese -- are predicting that we're going to be much, much cooler by 2030. So we've got completely the wrong adaptive strategy.

President of Czech Republic Calls Man-Made Global Warming a 'Myth' - Questions Gore's Sanity
Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.

The causes of global warming and climate change!
There are two competing theories for the current global warming trend.

The first theory, which is the generally accepted one, is that the release of greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels and from land use are responsible for the temperature increase.

The second theory is that the suns magnetic field and the solar wind modulates the amount of high energy cosmic radiation that the earth receives. This in turns affects the low altitude cloud cover and how much water vapor there is in the atmosphere and thus regulates the climate.

Climate change: The Deniers
Canada's National Post has a series of articles on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Several articles by sometimes eminent scientists that challenge the contention that global warming is a bad thing, or that global warming is due to our emission of carbon dioxide.

Global Warming: Prepare for Cooling, not Warming
By Dr. Tim Ball and Tom Harris
The world is cooling. Global temperatures have declined since 1998 and a growing number of climate experts expect this trend to continue until at least 2030. This, happening while carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions continue to rise, is in complete contradiction to the theory of human-induced (anthropogenic) global warming.


posted by Sepp Hasslberger on Saturday February 7 2004
updated on Sunday December 26 2010

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Readers' Comments

I thing that everything you say is right. Keep trying . You should also try to educate people, and especialy children . I am a student,too. Truth might be scary , but we should NOT hide it ! Really , could humanity SURVIVE an Ice Age ?? Thanks for reading me comments.

Posted by: Jason Ioannidis (GR) on November 9, 2004 07:31 PM


Obviously we need to educate peopleÂ… especialy children like you. Also yes, humanity can SURVIVE an Ice Age, study your history child.

Posted by: Mr Titticaca on January 3, 2005 06:28 AM


Ok just a random question, shouldn't the earth be getting warmer? In Manitoba, Canada this summer was the coldest summer on record. In Kuwait where I currently live, the temperature rarely descends below 10 degrees Celsius yet 3 weeks ago I witnessed snowflakes falling down to earthÂ… I have it on tape if you want to argue with me as I don't think many people noticed. Also I've just noticed as I travel that generally areas are becoming colder. Places such as New Zealand have had very cold summers and I'm just wonder why that is. Were about due for an Ice Age eh, but how does global warming and the evidence for it (warning signs etc) tie in with this?

Posted by: plug in usb on January 3, 2005 06:46 AM


Are we on the onset of the new ICEAGE?
If it will happen, when will the iceage come?
How far will the glaicers go?

Posted by: Thomas on March 29, 2005 01:10 AM


It is happening, SOONER than you think, it will not happen in 50 or 100 years later, it's SOONER than you think, it could happen within few weeks, OR few months, OR less than 10 years. UNLIKELY Northeast of AMERICA are having snow since last week. Plus we were having WHOLE LOTS of tornados in southeast and western plains. WE HUMANITY CAUSE THIS GLOBAL WARMING, I know I am right. Cause it's going very FASTER than we expect it would be. THINK ABOUT THIS. SO HELP ME GOD, GET ME WRONG. IT'S SOONER THAN YOU THINK. If you have any question about this, ask me... THANK YOU and SAVE ALL THE HUMANITY AND ANIMALS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE....

Posted by: Jason R. Harlow on December 11, 2005 06:09 AM


I would like to add some more relating to this... Unlikey Europe are colder, north of Canada are more colder in the summer. Think about this.

Moving like conveyor belt, the current transporting warm, surface water toward the Poles and cold, deep waters toward the Equator. In the Atlantic Ocean, these warm surface water push northward, releasing heat into the atmosphere and becoming cooler and denser. As they do, the water sink and flow southward in the deep ocean. -Noted that excessive amounts of freshwater dumped into the North Atlantic could alter seawater density and, in time, affect the flow of the North Atlantic ocean current. (Global warming has boosted freshwater runoff in the form of glacier meltwater and additional precipitation) Just how much extra freshwater it would take to alter the circulation system, known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation.. But freshwater runoff into the North Atlantic has rapiding increased in recent decades, and runoff is expected to increase further as global temperatures climb higher but check this out, IT'S GOING TO BE FASTER THAN YOU THINK AND SCIENCTIST THINK- MY WORD TO YOU, THEY ARE WRONG! Check this out--- For the circulation pattern to be seriously affected by the increase in freshwater runoff, the amount of freshwater required to alter or halt the North Atlantic ocean current. Although of course very unlikely that the freshening freshwater inflowing will be easily continue at the UNEXPECT RAPID PACE!!!! Water bodies found between Iceland, Greenland, and Norway represents the GREATEST source of freshwater that are having an impact on the conveyor belt. The more injecting, the more large amounts of freshwater into the Nordic seas at the precise region that is VERY critical to the conveyor belt. The more excess freshwater runoff from the Arctic will alternative the North Atlantic conveyor belt SOONER in this century than you think and the scienctist think. There is a 85 to 95 percent chance that the current will break down sooner.The freshening of the North Atlantic current make its water less dense and so they can't sink down to the depths at which they normally then be transported back through south---in the results of the circulation stalls, with warmer water no longer being drawn north. When current does stop, it WILL have devastating effects on northern lands, freezing conditions will affect everything! HOW SOON???? SOONER THAN WE THINK. Thank you for reading my comments. Have a great happy holiday.
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Posted by: Jason R. Harlow on December 11, 2005 09:09 AM


In the year 1958 I remember reading in the newspaper of a coming ice age because of warmer weather. The idea was that the warmer weather would warm the Atlantic Ocean which would cause tropical storms to go farther north bringing huge amounts of moisture to the point of origin for glacier formation which is Newfoundland. According to the theory presented in the article the melting ice draws heat out of the atmosphere thus bring on the ice age.

Posted by: Don Thompson on December 17, 2005 09:20 AM


I think we need to be more realistic 130000 years ago world was ice free and much warmer than today and earth didn't go to ice age after all ice melted so there must be some other thinks to drive earth to ice age!!! So there was no human effect at that time. so lets thing what can we find from evidence, asteroid? There are no evidence! Volcanoes? mmmmm during last ice age started 70.000 years ago a supper volcano on New Zeeland had been erupted. So what drive the volcanoes erupted? Technotic movement? Why? Earths magnetic pole shifting! Where do we now magnetic lines on rocks do? So what drives earth magnetic pole shift and earth's lands start to moves! Sun's magnetic storms... so who wants to know about when will we join an ice age?????

Watch out!!!

1. sun solar activities
2. Earth quakes
3. Volcanoes

End. Sea level drops

When? You start to see this 3. You can start to think what you should do!!! If you have enough money knowledge + if you know where you should go you can save yourself and your family.

so my suggestion if some one would like to move together and save as much as u can. Lets be union. if any of you would like to share idea with me i would love to share my ideas with you. My e mail is

Posted by: oscar on March 25, 2006 04:09 AM


Is the weather still changing, it is March now, and i can feel that the weather is getting colder, tonight is going to be 9 deg Cel, and we are just at the end of summer, I think there is somthing seriously wrong, if we used Uranium, i think that nothing would change, it would be worce, like how America wants us to sell India our Uranium but Howard after alot of talking to declinded the offer, because of India not being in the Non-Proliferation treety. Do you think this is going to effect us alot

Posted by: Ashley on March 25, 2006 08:42 AM


I'm 43 years old do I need to worry about the iceage and how would someone prepair for something like that please Email me and let me know, I'm doing studys on the iceage. I'd like know if anyone would make it though an ice age. my Email address is

James nix

Posted by: James on March 29, 2006 08:59 AM


Hi, I dont think your crazy. These things could happen, but so could a tsunami, huge earthquake, super volcano, asteroid, ect ect ect. The most important thing to remember is that you are not in control of these things. Dont worry about them, leave them to god. Worry about other things, like your heath and family, because in all likelyness you will be just fine like humans always have. And if it all goes down in flames, its ok. Let go.

Posted by: Ginny on August 9, 2006 03:48 PM


Very good article and comments.

That reminds me an article that i read a couple of days ago. I think that you will like that article.

Here's the link: Climate Change Swindlers and the Political Agenda

Let me know what you think about it.

Posted by: Marce6l on March 22, 2007 12:00 PM


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